UK election results do not make PAP look democratic

I refer to the 13 Jun 2015 TR Emeritus article “UK election results make PAP look democratic”.

Cybernut Investor wrote:

Anti-PAP cybernuts (like OXYGEN, Dosh), their heroes (Mad Dog Chee, s/o JBJ), rational activists opposed to the PAP (Yes, there are many like SDP’s Dr Paul Thamby and Dr Wong Wee Nam, Dr Ang Yong Guan, P Ravi, TeamTRE etc), and

Since Cynical Investor makes no qualms labeling his critics like OXYGEN as cybernut, he will henceforth be called Cybernut Investor.

Cybernut Investor must be nuts to say that rational people like Dr Paul Thamby and Dr Wong Wee Nam will choose to work under a mad dog. Either Dr Thamby and Dr Wong are irrational or Dr Chee isn’t a mad dog.

Cybernut Investor wrote:

… most neutral political analysts bemoan the system here: with only 60% of the votes the PAP won 81 seats (93%) of the seats at the last GE. The WP with 12% of the vote won 6 seats. And although the Oppo had 40% of the vote, these 6 seats were all they won. This pattern is consistent in all the elections since 1959.
Well the UK, is supposed to be a bastion of democracy but in the last election
– In Scotland, the SNP had only 50% of the votes but won 56 out of 59 seats (Labour lost 40 seats). 50% of the voters ended up with only 3 seats.
– In the country as a whole, the Tories had only 37% of the vote, yet have a 12 seat majority over the combined opposition share of the seats. 63% voted against them, yet the Tories formed the govt.
Makes PAP’s 60% of popular vote and 93% of the seats look more “democratic”, a lot more. At least 60% of adult S’poreans voted for the PAP.

If the Scottish National Party can go from being the underdogs to the overwhelming new winner of Scottish votes overnight, surely that counts towards democracy? Can that happen in Singapore?

From the table below, it can be seen that the Conservatives’ 50.9% electoral seat share is only 14% more than their vote share of 37%. In contrast, PAP’s 93.1% electoral seat share is 33% more than their 60.1% vote share. PAP’s 33% extra electoral seat share is much more compared to the Conservatives’ extra 14% seat share so there is definitely reason for Singaporeans to feel aggrieved.

Cybernut Investor has no basis to claim that the 63% UK votes that didn’t go to the Conservatives were votes against the Conservatives because they could simply be votes for the respective parties that they went to. A consumer that chooses apple juice over orange juice doesn’t necessarily have anything against orange juice; he just prefers apple juice that’s all.

The 63% votes that went to other UK parties resulted in 49% seat share which is a discount of only 14% whereas for Singapore, the 40% votes that went to opposition parties garnered only 7% seat share which is a whopping discount of 33%. So contrary to what Cybernut Investor said, this makes PAP’s 60% vote share and 93% seat share look less democratic – a lot less.

UK 2015 electoral results

Seats % seats % vote share % seats – % vote share
Conservatives 331 50.90% 36.90% 14%
Labour 232 35.70% 30.40% 5%
Scotish National 56 8.60% 4.70% 4%
Liberal Democratic 8 1.20% 7.90% -7%
Democratic Unionist 8 1.20% 0.60% 1%
Sinn Fein 4 0.60% 0.60% 0%
Plaid Cymru 3 0.50% 0.60% 0%
Social Democratic and Labour 3 0.50% 0.30% 0%
Ulster Unionist 2 0.30% 0.40% 0%
UK Independence 1 0.20% 12.60% -12%
Green 1 0.20% 3.80% -4%
Independent 1 0.20% 0.30% 0%
Alliance 0 0.00% 0.20% 0%
TUSC 0 0.00% 0.10% 0%
National Health Action 0 0.00% 0.10% 0%
Traditional Unionist Voice 0 0.00% 0.10% 0%
Others 0 0.00% 0.50% -1%
650 100.00% 100.10%

Singapore 2011 electoral results

Seats % seats % vote share % seats – % vote share</td
PAP 81 93.10% 60.10% 33%</td
WP 6 6.90% 12.80% -6%</td
NSP 0 0.00% 12.00% -12%</td
SDP 0 0.00% 4.80% -5%</td
Reform Party 0 0.00% 4.30% -4%</td
SPP 0 0.00% 3.10% -3%</td
SDA 0 0.00% 2.80% -3%</td
87 100.00% 99.90% </td

Cybernut Investor wrote:

And don’t you forget that OXYGEN and the other cybernuts infesting TRE, scrounging off and undermining TeamTRE’s efforts to make S’pore a less PAP friendly place.

Cybernut Investor must be nuts to suggest that TeamTRE’s efforts are being undermined by OXYGEN when it is TeamTRE that approves OXYGEN’s many wise comments. That would be akin to saying TeamTRE is undermining its own efforts.

Cybernut Investor wrote:

In the UK, even if they all formed a coalition, the Oppo had less seats than the Tories.

But in the UK, a coalition of all opposition would have a seat share of 49% whereas in Singapore, a coalition of all opposition results in a measly 7% seat share. Thus, Cybernut Investor’s example undermines his own argument.

Cybernut Investor wrote:

But that’s not all. If Labour had gotten 37% of the votes instead of 30%, and had not lost 40 seats in Scotland, it would have likely won the election. In that case the 63% who did not vote Labour would have to accept a Labour govt.

The 63% that didn’t vote for Labour would still have perhaps 49% representation in parliament – that’s still much greater democracy than compared to Singapore.

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One Response to “UK election results do not make PAP look democratic”

  1. Anonymous Says:

    You might add that there is no gerrymandering in the UK. The persistent reference to the PAP’s supposed 60% of the popular vote needs be scrutinised. It disregards the deliberate addition of 90, 000 new citizens before the 2011 GE who, even the former NMP Pauline Straugham recognises, was likely to have voted for the PAP for a variety of obvious reasons. In the UK public servants do not vote for the incumbents out of fear. Nor do they have para- PAP organisations like the PA to swing the votes in their favour. So much for CI’s twisted view of democracy.

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